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post Jan 12 2010, 04:00 PM
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Recently, when I start my car in the morning, I press the clutch pedal in, start it, and release the clutch pedal when in neutral. When I release it, I hear a whining noise. Its only audible when its first turned on and revving at 1500rpms or so. When the rpms drop, the noise goes away.

When driving and shifting through the gears, I have a whine that increases with engine rpms. It doesnt this through all 5 gears. It causes no drive-ability issues, its just annoying, and seems to have gotten worse over the past few months. The transmission shifts great, and the clutch doesnt slip at all.

If I accelerate, and then release my foot off the gas pedal, the noise stops, but is instant when I touch the gas pedal again.

Transmission/Clutch has 109,000 miles on it (stock clutch) and I changed the gear oil out 2 years ago. I recently checked it, and it was still full.

So, what do you think it is? Time for a new clutch? Input shaft bearing bad? Other internal issue?



If in fact it is the Input shaft bearing, am I going to have to open the transmission up?
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post Jan 12 2010, 07:02 PM
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QUOTE (Pearl01stratcpe @ Jan 12 2010, 07:00 PM) *
Recently, when I start my car in the morning, I press the clutch pedal in, start it, and release the clutch pedal when in neutral. When I release it, I hear a whining noise. Its only audible when its first turned on and revving at 1500rpms or so. When the rpms drop, the noise goes away.

When driving and shifting through the gears, I have a whine that increases with engine rpms. It doesnt this through all 5 gears. It causes no drive-ability issues, its just annoying, and seems to have gotten worse over the past few months. The transmission shifts great, and the clutch doesnt slip at all.

If I accelerate, and then release my foot off the gas pedal, the noise stops, but is instant when I touch the gas pedal again.

Transmission/Clutch has 109,000 miles on it (stock clutch) and I changed the gear oil out 2 years ago. I recently checked it, and it was still full.

So, what do you think it is? Time for a new clutch? Input shaft bearing bad? Other internal issue?



If in fact it is the Input shaft bearing, am I going to have to open the transmission up?


This is very interesting because this is the same symptoms my transmission has, Its not the clutch or throw out bearing since I have had 2 upgraded ones since because of my HP, and it made the same noise when the new one went in. I woulden't worry about it.

Did it just suddenly start to make the noise? Because it did for me I was just driving along at 55 mph and heard a wierd pop, or ping sound and after that I am hearing the same anoying noise that you are describing but I can only hear it if the radio and fan is off.
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post Jan 13 2010, 02:21 AM
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The first time I noticed it was after I came back home from vacation. I put my radio faceplate in the house, and couldnt find it for a week. Driving to work I noticed a whiirring noise, and since then (August) is has gotten louder. I can hear it over the radio now.
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post Jan 13 2010, 06:59 AM
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hmm, well maybe then the output shaft bearings from the trans? Or maybe the throw out bearing? Try jacking up the front end and let the tires spin at a speed where the noise is noticeable and see if you can locate the noise.
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post Jan 27 2010, 01:22 PM
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Sounds to me like its the throw out bearing, my 3kgt had that problem clutch and all was great! but the TOB was defective so pulled the tranny changed the TOB and it was fine

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post Jan 27 2010, 01:32 PM
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When the clutch pedal is pushed in its fine. When its released it makes the noise. On the 4 cyl there is only load on the TOB when the clutch pedal is pushed.
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post Jan 27 2010, 04:30 PM
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If the throwout bearing is shot it won't matter if it's under load or not, it's always going to whine whether YOU hear it or not, when you push the clutch pedal in you are putting the bearing under tension and closing the gaps causing the noise. If you have to change the throwout bearing, you'd be dumb to not do a whole clutch kit and flywheel resurface at that point, it's a little more work, but at that point you're pretty commited anyway
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post Jan 30 2010, 11:03 AM
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bad bearings always make more noise when they're spinning without a load, because the load engages the rollers more. My Jeep's rear pinion bearing and t-case bearings are making noise and it's only when I'm coasting downhill. When I'm powering on them, quiet as a baby. TOB ftw.
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post Jan 30 2010, 11:42 AM
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QUOTE (AllEur0. @ Jan 30 2010, 05:03 PM) *
bad bearings always make more noise when they're spinning without a load, because the load engages the rollers more. My Jeep's rear pinion bearing and t-case bearings are making noise and it's only when I'm coasting downhill. When I'm powering on them, quiet as a baby. TOB ftw.

Im not ruling the TOB out because Im sure it does need changed, but my car does the exact opposite.

When Im accelerating it whines/whirrrs, and if I let off the gas/coast its silent.


Maybe with income tax Ill buy a new clutch kit. I dread the install though (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Jan 30 2010, 07:50 PM
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QUOTE (Pearl01stratcpe @ Jan 30 2010, 04:42 PM) *
Im not ruling the TOB out because Im sure it does need changed, but my car does the exact opposite.

When Im accelerating it whines/whirrrs, and if I let off the gas/coast its silent.


Maybe with income tax Ill buy a new clutch kit. I dread the install though (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


I don't blame you. I changed my clutch in a friends driveway and it was a bitch. The transaxle got hung up on everything possible. From what I've been told however if you have a lift it's easy but I still have my doubts. Putting it all back in was almost harder than taking it all apart. Getting the engine at the right angle for the transaxle to mate up with it about drove me insane
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post Jan 30 2010, 09:36 PM
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QUOTE (Pearl01stratcpe @ Jan 30 2010, 10:42 AM) *
Im not ruling the TOB out because Im sure it does need changed, but my car does the exact opposite.

When Im accelerating it whines/whirrrs, and if I let off the gas/coast its silent.


Maybe with income tax Ill buy a new clutch kit. I dread the install though (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


That sounds like internal transmission bearings to me...but I haven't done anything to this car so I'm a stranger to its little mechanical nuances.

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post Jan 31 2010, 08:43 AM
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Might be a good idea to rent a garage with a lift. Could save you a few headaches.
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QUOTE (wiseoracle @ Jan 31 2010, 02:43 PM) *
Might be a good idea to rent a garage with a lift. Could save you a few headaches.

A lift would definitely make this job easier. Hell I might go crazy and just pull the engine and transmission out together. That way i can do the timing belt without fighting 2" of work space. I can bolt the engine and trans and put them in together, rather than fight just the transmission into place.
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post Jan 31 2010, 03:20 PM
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QUOTE (Pearl01stratcpe @ Jan 31 2010, 02:43 PM) *
A lift would definitely make this job easier. Hell I might go crazy and just pull the engine and transmission out together. That way i can do the timing belt without fighting 2" of work space. I can bolt the engine and trans and put them in together, rather than fight just the transmission into place.

That's actually a spectacular idea if you're going to get all that accomplished, it's just most people are scared of pulling engines and won't do it, but it's just a few more bolts and it makes all the jobs incredibly easier !!
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I talked to the owner of a transmission shop in my town. He was nice enough to to stop what he was working on and check my car out. From what he can tell, its something lower in the transmission. Not the TOB or the input shaft bearing, but something else; I think iys connected to the differential.

I asked him roughly what it would cost for a rebuild, and he told me it would be cheaper to find a low mileage used transmission. I know he does good work, and he was very straight forward and honest with me, so I might let him do his thing in the spring while I have the bike for a daily driver.
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post Feb 13 2010, 02:54 PM
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QUOTE (Pearl01stratcpe @ Feb 13 2010, 05:45 PM) *
I talked to the owner of a transmission shop in my town. He was nice enough to to stop what he was working on and check my car out. From what he can tell, its something lower in the transmission. Not the TOB or the input shaft bearing, but something else; I think iys connected to the differential.

I asked him roughly what it would cost for a rebuild, and he told me it would be cheaper to find a low mileage used transmission. I know he does good work, and he was very straight forward and honest with me, so I might let him do his thing in the spring while I have the bike for a daily driver.

If Eric (OuttaFokus) ever shows up again you could try him, he's supposedly parting out his 5 spped RT, I know his car is over 100K miles, but you might get the parts cheap
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I have the 4cyl, I dont think it uses the same transmission as the V6
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post Oct 15 2012, 05:17 AM
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After 2.5 years, im finally pulling the transmission to fix this. 138,500 miles now. The noise is horrible (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Im expecting to see a bearing missing half the balls.
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QUOTE (Pearl01stratcpe @ Oct 15 2012, 09:17 AM) *
After 2.5 years, im finally pulling the transmission to fix this. 138,500 miles now. The noise is horrible (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Im expecting to see a bearing missing half the balls.


Let us know what you find out. My car has sat a year waiting on a clutch and mine would make noise with the pedal up and in nuetral... push in and went away and didn't hear it while driving. I assumed to bearing and I guess I'll know soon, but could be the input shaft bearing.
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