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post Feb 18 2009, 11:10 AM
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I've been considering getting a DSLR camera. I've pretty much narrowed it down to a Nikon D40, D50, Canon Rebel XTi, or possibly a Pentax K200D (depending on if my Dad has some Pentax lenses like I think he does). I'm somewhat leaning toward either the XTi or the D50 at the moment. The D50 instead of the 40 because the D50 still has the internal autofocus motor, so it's able to autofocus the older Nikon lenses, while the 40 can only focus the newer AF-S line, which doesn't include any normal length prime lenses (28-50mm). Canon has a decent number of lenses available, as does Pentax. One thing the Pentax has over the others is a stainless steel frame on the body, along with weather proofing (sand and rain resistant). Pentax also claims the K series cameras (K100D and 200D) are able to mount pretty much any lens they've ever made. I have't been able to handle any besides the D40 so far. Best Buy only had the newer XSi and none of the Pentax cameras. So, any opinions?
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post Feb 18 2009, 02:00 PM
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QUOTE (jaqattack02 @ Feb 18 2009, 02:10 PM) *
I've been considering getting a DSLR camera. I've pretty much narrowed it down to a Nikon D40, D50, Canon Rebel XTi, or possibly a Pentax K200D (depending on if my Dad has some Pentax lenses like I think he does). I'm somewhat leaning toward either the XTi or the D50 at the moment. The D50 instead of the 40 because the D50 still has the internal autofocus motor, so it's able to autofocus the older Nikon lenses, while the 40 can only focus the newer AF-S line, which doesn't include any normal length prime lenses (28-50mm). Canon has a decent number of lenses available, as does Pentax. One thing the Pentax has over the others is a stainless steel frame on the body, along with weather proofing (sand and rain resistant). Pentax also claims the K series cameras (K100D and 200D) are able to mount pretty much any lens they've ever made. I have't been able to handle any besides the D40 so far. Best Buy only had the newer XSi and none of the Pentax cameras. So, any opinions?

I would go for the Rebel, although I've heard some bad things about the body. Dad got a new Olympus E520 last week and it's a very good camera, try looking at those too.
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post Feb 18 2009, 05:33 PM
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After doing some more research I'm leaning pretty strongly toward the Nikon D40x, which is an upgraded version of the D40 that they stopped selling for some reason. My guess is that it was cutting into the D60 so they dropped it.
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post Feb 18 2009, 11:12 PM
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If JJ doesn't post in this thread in the next couple days, I'll say he's officially gone. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Feb 19 2009, 06:15 AM
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QUOTE (AllEur0. @ Feb 19 2009, 02:12 AM) *
If JJ doesn't post in this thread in the next couple days, I'll say he's officially gone. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


That's what I was thinking too. I'm pretty sure he's a Canon fan, so I'm sure he'll recommend the XTi.
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post Feb 19 2009, 07:07 PM
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QUOTE (jaqattack02 @ Feb 19 2009, 09:15 AM) *
That's what I was thinking too. I'm pretty sure he's a Canon fan, so I'm sure he'll recommend the XTi.

i think ur right.

are you buying new & what's the price range of these guys? i've been reading up on photography and can't wait to get my first dslr. so much to learn though. i think i finally figured out what i wanna be when i grow up. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Feb 20 2009, 05:38 AM
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I decided to get the Nikon D40. I ordered it on Amazon from Cameta Camera. They had a factory refurbished one with a 1 year warranty for $259 for just the body. Then I ordered a factory refurbished 18-55mm VR DX Nikon lens (made for the DSLRs and includes Vibration Reduction), which is the kit lens with the D60, for $99. I plan to just stop at Best Buy when it gets here to get a bag and a memory card. So all together, around $400 for the whole deal, then once I learn the camera, I'll pick up some other lenses. Nikon is supposed to be coming out with a nice 35mm prime (no zoom) lens sometime in the next month or so that should be awesome for car photography (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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post Feb 20 2009, 04:27 PM
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Congrats on the buy!!
Don't forget your D40 uses an aps-c sensor, not full frame. So any lens you buy isn't actual size.


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If you want to know what focal length you need to give you the same field of view (FOV) on a crop sensor camera as a lens of "X" mm does on a full frame camera, you DIVIDE the focal length by the "digital multiplier", which is 1.6x for Canon EOS cameras and 1.5x for Nikon, Sony and Pentax. So, for example, to find what lens on an EOS 40D (crop sensor) gives you the same view as a 100mm lens on and EOS 5D (full frame sensor), you divide 100 by 1.6 and the answer is that you'd need a 62.5mm lens. So the EF-S 60/2.8 macro will give you approximately the same field of view on an EOS 40D as a 100mm macro does on an EOS 5D.

The go the other way, to find what focal length lens you'd need on a full frame camera to give you the same field of view (FOV) as a "Y" mm lens on a crop camera, you MULTIPLY the focal length by the "digital multiplier". So if you have a 300mm lens on your 40D, you'd need a (300 x 1.6) = 480mm lens on your EOS 5D to give you the same field of view.

So to summarize for Canon EOS cameras and lenses:

APS-C crop sensor focal length to EQUIVALENT FOV full frame focal length - MULTIPLY by 1.6
Full Frame focal length to EQUIVALENT FOV for APS-C crop sensor - DIVIDE by 1.6

Note that the aperture stays constant. An f2.8 lens always acts like an f2.8 lens. There is no "digital multiplier" for lens speed.


You should really look at the 50mm f1.8, it's about $125 for nikon, and it's the fastest glass you can get for the price. In other words, it has a very specific focal point...allowing you to have your subject very sharp, and your backround way out of focus.
let me know if you have any questions.


LETS SEE SOME PICS!

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post Feb 20 2009, 05:21 PM
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QUOTE (AllEur0. @ Feb 19 2009, 02:12 AM) *
If JJ doesn't post in this thread in the next couple days, I'll say he's officially gone. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I still lurk, and I'm gonna vote for the XTi, none of that nikon crap.
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post Feb 20 2009, 05:35 PM
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QUOTE (jaqattack02 @ Feb 20 2009, 08:38 AM) *
I decided to get the Nikon D40. I ordered it on Amazon from Cameta Camera. They had a factory refurbished one with a 1 year warranty for $259 for just the body. Then I ordered a factory refurbished 18-55mm VR DX Nikon lens (made for the DSLRs and includes Vibration Reduction), which is the kit lens with the D60, for $99. I plan to just stop at Best Buy when it gets here to get a bag and a memory card. So all together, around $400 for the whole deal, then once I learn the camera, I'll pick up some other lenses. Nikon is supposed to be coming out with a nice 35mm prime (no zoom) lens sometime in the next month or so that should be awesome for car photography (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

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post Feb 20 2009, 05:46 PM
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QUOTE (DJones @ Feb 20 2009, 07:27 PM) *
Congrats on the buy!!
Don't forget your D40 uses an aps-c sensor, not full frame. So any lens you buy isn't actual size.


Yep, that's why I got the 'DX' lens. They are designed to work with the smaller sensor on the consumer grade DSLRs. But you're right, I've been reading about that stuff.

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You should really look at the 50mm f1.8, it's about $125 for nikon, and it's the fastest glass you can get for the price. In other words, it has a very specific focal point...allowing you to have your subject very sharp, and your backround way out of focus.
let me know if you have any questions.

LETS SEE SOME PICS!


That lens isn't one of the AF-S lenses, so it won't autofocus with my camera. Of course I could still hand focus it, but I don't know if I wanna do that for $125. The next lense on my list is this one, at least after it comes out. http://www.adorama.com/NK3518U.html

If I get into the whole photography thing, I may look into this one as well. http://www.adorama.com/NK5014AFGU.html

I'll definitely post some pics, but I don't have the camera yet. Should come one day next week, then I'll probably go on a shooting spree next weekend to get the controls all figured out.
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QUOTE (DJones @ Feb 20 2009, 08:35 PM) *

doh!

Another one lost to the nikon (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Feb 27 2009, 02:35 PM
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Since you guys requested photos, here's the 2 I've taken so far that I thought were keepers. Both are on my flickr page.
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post Mar 4 2009, 11:21 AM
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For anyone interested, here's my flickr page... http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaqattack02/
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